2 different situations i saw at garden during the spread cash game
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ok so were playing 3-100 spread limit
im seat 3, seat 4 is a very tight player, seat 5 is loose as a goose pre flop if he puts money in hes gunna see a flop for any legit raise, seat 6 is a action player tries to limp into every flop but hes slowed down as hes bleed away 150 in the last 15 minutes. seat 7 is a new player all i know about him is that hes a limit player waiting for a seat to open up at the 8-16 game and what ive noticed about limit players is that they like to see flops and they dont understand the value of hands pre flop they fall in love with alot of amatuer hands like QJ suited and if they put money in there gunna call a raise and in most instances a re raise even obsurd amounts. then there is seat 8 which is MARK a guy i have occasionally brought as a guest he plays spread limit very caustiously but does like to limp and see flops.
ok now that the back drop is laid here is the action pre flop im small blind seat 5 is UTG he limps seat, 6 limps, seat 7 limps, seat 8 limps, with a 4 way pot and me already having 2 dollars invested i called the 1 dolalr with TJ suited diamonds seeing if i could snap off a big flop and cash in on the players at the table. then an unexpected raise comes from the knit at the table he pops it to 20 ok now prior to his raise there is 19 in the pot i beleive so everyone is getting 2 to 1 with him having 60 more behind seat 5 flat calls which starts a domino effect having every players excet seat 6 call so when it gets to me there is 84 in the pot and i still like my TJ since there are 2 players in the hand i know if i hit big they will pay me off with top pair
ok so at this point what do you think about the call and my thought process here""?
OK SO HERE IS THE FLOP (part 2)
yes thats right i flopped the nuts WHAT A MIRACLE THE POKER GODS ACTUALLY SMILED UPON ME and its rainbow so i dont have to worry about any flush draw. oh and YES I CHECKED DARK (dont you love it ALEXIS LOL). ok so here is the action the super tight player pushed all in for 60 bringing the pot now to (144) then seat 5 pushes all in for 145 making the pot (289) at this point im pinching my self then guess what seat 7 pushes all in for 185 pot is now(469) so now im thining im chopping the pot with someone and seat 8 folds so now i have to call 185 to win (674) so of course i snap call and this is what is turned over knit has JJ so thats good cause now i can only spilt with him even though i was hoping he had a set since he only had 60 of the main pot i didnt mind losing to him i still would of won 325 or so which was fine with me next player turns over 89 spades for bottom two and the limit player turns over Q9os for top 2 pair and mark said he folded TT ok and with this knowledge i know i have to fade 1 T, 2 8's, 1 9, 2 Q's so the odds are 25% that i scoop the whole pot so for this size pot thats a really good oppurtunity to find myself in RIGHT""? atleast i thought so but i really didnt want to loose because that would make me brake even for the night instead of ahead 200 so i guess i could of folded but im sure alot of you would of had some loud expleitavies to yell at me. OK SO THE TURN it was 6h PHEW ok ive faded one pull now im liking my chances a lil more down to 12% and then POKER GODS STRIKE with there sick humor Q on river too give the limit player NUT NUT snapping my good play for the night YES I DID THE RIGHT THING BUT IT SUX WHEN IT DOESNT WORK OUT BECAUSE I DONT HAVE THE BANKROLL TO THINK LONG TERM.
so give me input would you of folded pre flop i know jason wouldnt of alexis might have dave wouldnt of craig probablly would of not sure bout the rest of you resident spokes people never played with you guys
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This is my post w/o reading A's answer. I don't want to be swayed by things she said.
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Thank you for the very detailed explanation. I think that thought process is very sound. How much did you have behind before you called? I expect you had everybody covered to maximize your implied odds.
I would also consider what hands people actually have. What range did you put the nit on? It seems like his raise is a "I want to see the flop with one other player" kind of raise, which speaks to
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or better.Let's talk pot odds. $84 in there and you need only $17 more or whatever. That's about 6-to-1, which means you need about a 16% chance of winning based purely on pot odds. Implied odds suggest you might be as good as 10-to-1. I'm pretty sure the chance of flopping two-pair, trips, a flush, or a straight is not as good as 10%, but it's probably pretty close. If you were super-deep stacked, I'd say your post-flop skill could help you out, but you're pretty much all in or not on the flop in this pot. Damn :/
Part 2
Holy crap, nice flop! LOL. Checking dark is fun and all, but I really don't like a dark check right there. That just SCREAMS "I have suited connectors or a low pocket pair". I don't like giving that information away except in special circumstances. Like, when I'm playing for fun :p Anyway...
According to my trusty odds calculator, you win in this situation 67.5% of the time. Once you fade the turn, you win 85% of the time. Even heads up against a set you win 64% of the time with that flop. I would have expected to be against a set of nines or tens, BTW.
So, do you call an all in 4-way with the nuts? Hell yes, you do. The supposition is that you have a large enough bankroll to be in this game. If you do, you have to call. You make sooooooo much theoretical money on that call I'd have to slap you if you fold. OMG.
But...
Sorry to hear you go unlucky, man. Ouch.
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