Stupid Play

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1. • Posted by Nick L 2008-03-16 19:47:05
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   • I was playing in a cash game on Friday night I started with $25.00 and ended up building it into 70. After Chris was knocked out it came down to 4 handed and I was chip leader. I picked up made it 1.50 to go with the blinds at 25/50 cents. Addison re raises to 3.00 I make it 10 to go thinking he is full of shit cause he has been playing at least 7 out of the last 10 hands. He re raises all in with and I folded. Then the very next hand I pick up and called his 2.00 raise. The flop is thinking that he didn't hit after his 5 dollar bet. I re raised all in 50.00 more on top to call he had me covered. He ended up having again damm it, I didn't catch up and I threw 70 bucks down the drain. With Addison getting kings two hands in a row, that left me driving home very upset on how I melted down there.

2. • Posted by Jason M 2008-03-16 20:57:54
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   • Ouch! That sucks, man. If it makes you feel any better, it's good to get that out of your system before Vegas. Happy birthday, by the way. We'll make sure we have some good celebrations this weekend :)

     Back to some strategy - that's tough to put Addison on so many good hands in a row, especially KK back to back. Great laydown on the 88, though. I suppose you were a little upset after folding that, which made the next hand that much harder to believe.

3. • Posted by Graham 2008-03-17 21:19:39
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   • Ouch is right... that sucks. Go read Krishna's post entitled 'Know where you are early in the hand.' Also, think about this one that I picked up from Caro: a player is less likely to be running a bluff right after dragging a big pot. He's busy stacking his chips, the last thing he wants to do is think about how to bluff you out of the next one. You should change the title of this thread to 'emotional play' instead. Keep playing and strive to stay level-headed in those crazy home cash games. Oh yeah and I'll see your ass in Vegas, BAY-BEE! =D

4. • Posted by Krishna 2008-03-17 23:41:45
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   • Even if you had good read, bet of 50 into a small pot is too big when the only hand you can beat is a bluff.
     Seeing this over bet, the opponent is likely put you on air or a monster.

     I am no expert either (see my post about how I lost my whole stack on JJ).
     We are all learning and make mistakes especially against someone is running hot.
     That is why when you are running hot, bet big and often. There will be some one who wants to catch your "bluff".

     I lost two big pots in my early days in similar situation.
     The opponent was showing good hand after hand.
     I had decent hand but when I faced his aggression I stopped giving him any credit and lost my stack with mediocre hands.
     I did again after few hands with pocket 77s. That is when I decided to learn the game before I sit down at the tables.

     Thanks to bankroll management we all can learn from mistakes and move on.

5. • Posted by Jason M 2008-03-18 00:42:18
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   • Agreed. Graham, I think of that Caro point frequently when playing against an opponent who just won a pot. I steal maybe just a bit more. And his point goes both ways (as I'm sure you are aware) - a player who just lost a pot will be more reluctant to lay down a hand in the near future.

6. • Posted by WeezerMoo 2008-03-31 21:30:37
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   • I just have one things to say. STOP CALLING RAISES WITH A3o. NEVER DO IT AGAIN!

7. • Posted by Jason M 2008-03-31 23:40:33
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   • Even 4-handed? What if you know it's a maniac?

8. • Posted by Krishna 2008-04-01 00:19:13
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   • That was the same advice from another friend.
     He said stop calling raises with KQo.
     Yes KQo!

9. • Posted by WeezerMoo 2008-04-01 06:19:00
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   • In position, calling raises with KQo is perfectly fine depending on the player who raised, but out of position it will be a hard play to make profitable.

     And to Jason and Nick:

     In general the problem with calling even a maniac with A3o is this: What boards are you going to hit that also give him something worse to pay you off with? I mean if he's a TOTAL maniac then just go all in with im preflop with any ace. But realistically A3o is very difficult to hit a board with and still be winning or be winning vs something that is going to pay you big. That makes it a most unprofitable hand to play. In general you will hit the ace and be dominated and lose a big pot, you will hit the ace and be ahead and win a small pot, or you will miss and either fold or face tough decisions with an ace high.

     The best choices with that hand are to reraise the maniac or fold the hand.

10. • Posted by Jason M 2008-04-01 07:18:05
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    • Thanks for the follow-up, Jeff. I suspected as much, but you and Stephen have a knack for describing it very well. Personally, I feel a hand like is well in the scrotal zone.

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