1. 2008-11-20 02:51:18

   The Venetian Deep Stack Day 2

   I wanted to thank everyone who followed the tournament on day 2 and wished me good luck at the final table. Special thanks to Jason, Jeff, Stephen and Alexis for the in-person cheer section :) Going from short stack to chip leader was definitely an adventure. Instead of doing a boring post about strategy or luck-sack situations I'd rather steal the live update notes from Jason and provide what I was thinking during key moments.

   Live Updates w/ Commentary

   • 4:15 pm - Adrian has stolen blinds twice and has about 380k in chips I was ready to push with any decent hand since I started with the button, but the first 4 or 5 hands somebody else went all in before the action got to me. I finally picked up under the gun and push – turns out I should have limped instead. Second time I had . I am still pretty nervous and expecting to go out first or second
   • 4:18 pm - One revolution and Adrian is on the button again with 350k Decided I could be patient and wait for better hands that the crap I've been seeing
   • 4:20 pm - Wait - there's an all-in! 2 people are out, Adrian on the button again I almost pushed this hand with but I choose to lay it down because to other players looked really happy when they looked at their cards: go little black book discipline! I'd have ran into mega-monster and not made 7th place
   • 4:21 pm - tied with one guy for short, 7 players total
   • 4:23 pm - M = 5.5 My M is low so is everyone else who doesn't have 1M chips...please someone double me up
   • 4:27 pm - some dude's KQ just took out one guy with AQ by spiking a K! Top 6 baby!
   • 4:28 pm - Adrian all in for 345k, no calls I was under the gun with and the BB wanted to called me badly. He was another short-stack that I befriended and he mucks flashing me
   • 4:31 pm - He'd short stack and guaranteed 5k or so for 6th
   • 4:33 pm - another shove by Adrian and no calls Can't remember my cards here, but I am pretty sure I did not want a caller
   • 4:35 pm - so far no flops without all in preflop. Sitting at 400k.
   • 4:36 pm - all in again, no calls Realized the big stacks where playing tighter than they should, hoping to let the short stacks consolidate, but that was not happening. So I pushed in position with medium ace
   • 4:41 pm - 470k. Now tied with 2 others for short. 3 other guys have over 1 million.
   • 4:41 pm - All in, no calls. This guy is a machine
   • 4:44 pm - First flop of the table. Bets and calls. Chips move between the big stacks. This was a huge pot and I didn't even get to see the cards. They claimed to be vs but all I know is mr big stack #1 lost 400k to big stack #2. Good for me
   • 4:54 pm - All in from his SB, no calls. My hand sucked but the medium stack to my left was so tight he was only calling me if he woke up with top 4 hands – quick way to add 15% to my stack
   • 4:55 pm - One more eliminated. JJ limp to catch somebody and small goes in with 66. Buh-bye! Top 5! Wow, I made top 5...I was surprised and a lot less nervous at this point. I really expected to have lost a race by now. I guess showing my good cards on shoves might have helped
   • 4:57 pm - Other short stack just doubled up. Now they are talking chop. My "friend" to my right doubles up and starts up the wheel and dealing. I am sitting on 468k, he is at 500k and the big guys still around 1 million
   • 5:04 pm - They redid payouts by agreement: 25k, 19k, 12k, 12k, 12k. Adrian probably will finish in the 12k, but this is a tremendous deal for him. 5th only got 6k previously and Adrian is short by far. One of the big stacks didn't want to have anything to do with first place getting less than 30k because he has to pay 30% taxes in Finland (uh!). I didn't want anything to do w/ last place getting less than 11k, my quote: I'll coin-flip 3k to make 20k every day of the week. I double-up once through you and it's a whole new ball game. Turns out I got quoted back 2 hours later...
   • 5:05 pm - Now they are arguing more. Maybe no deal.
   • 5:11 pm - Final deal is 28k, 17k, 12k, 11k, 10k. That's guaranteed 3rd place money. Not a bad deal for the guy with half the average stack. Finally realized the german only cared about 1st place, so somebody proposed taken a bit from second and we all agreed.
   • 5:16 pm - And Adrian is all in again. Time to loosen up and go for first! No calls. Almost got called since everyone thought it was a move due to the chop, turns out I had
   • 5:24 pm - Jeff's (Weezermoo's) advice: "monkey mash" it in and go for 2nd.
   • 5:25 pm - Adrian actually saw a flop, bet and took it down. Raised with and missed. He folded to my continuation bet though since I had a pretty tight image
   • 5:37 pm - They are bleeding him out. Hasn't done much lately. Folded a full 2 revolutions because I knew people were calling lighter after the deal, I wasn't about to loose my patience like the day before. I started getting glares from my cheerleading section as I folded 20% of my stack
   • 5:43 pm - All-in and called!!!!!
   • 5:46 pm - Won the hand with TT vs AT, and the case T hit in the window! DOUBLE UP and more! Now almost average with 4.8M chips in play. Big stack limps (which he had done twice with good hands), second big stack limps also, SB folds, I am in the BB with and instant-shove. Limper #1 instant-calls (almost too quick for my taste) but doesn't go over the top which I found odd. After a couple of minutes limper #2 folds and I am hoping they had each others outs. He turns over but I am still worried. Limper #2 said he folded . Flop has the case ten and I turn a boat. Ok, I can breathe now...
   • 5:49 pm - 800k+ in chips. Average stack now. Thinking I can play a real hand of poker now...
   • 5:54 pm - Chips: 1.5M, 1.1M, 900k, Adrian at 850k, last guy at 600k
   • 6:08 pm - Adrian made his first not all-in raise of the final table and saw a flop. He had to fold, and is now probably back to shoving. This is the second time at the final table where I connected with the flop but a big stack shoves all in over me so I had to fold. Turns out knowing this pattern about my play was important later
   • 6:13 pm - Saw another flop . Adrian bets the flop and chip leader flat calls. Turn comes and Adrian fires another shot, chip leader goes all in... Adrian thinks...and calls. I thought for 3 full minutes on this hand, I had . Obviously I was continuation betting and he probably knew that but his bet didn't make much sense to me. The way he was playing all night he obtained max value from his hands. If he had a piece of the flop the J was as much a scare card for him that for me. I had a tight image so I could have a piece of it. If he was floating me and hit the J he would flat call and go all in in the river or maybe raise me some but a shove on the turn said I want the 320k that's there go away like you have previously. I could have had "plenty" if I folded, but I thought my high was good and even if I was horribly wrong I had outs - so I called.
   • 6:14 pm - New Adrianism: "And the queen for pleasants", which means good I suppose. The river was a blank and he says nice call I have A high and shows to which I answered, I know, me too and the queen for pleasants. I then proceeded to do something really rude and yell out 'ship it' from the top of lungs – I did apologize later while staking my 1.6M chips ;)
   • 6:18 pm - He's chip leader at about 1.7M - that's about 1/3 of the chips!
   • 6:28 pm - Chip leader coming in to final table is now severely short stacked, and probably out soon.
   • 6:41 pm - 2.3M. Approaching half of the final table chips with 5 players still in. The remaining players were debating if I was a genius or a mad man, but in the meantime I kept raising and stacking 500k more without any significant challenge. I had to force myself to fold some to maintain some respect
   • 6:42 pm - Only 4 left! Adrian took out the short stacked former chip leader. Karma is a bitch. This is finland guy who after loosing two big pots ran scared and let himself bleed out
   • 6:47 pm - Still around 2.15 in chips.
   • 6:58 pm - They all have enough chips to play, so it's pretty uninteresting right now.
   • 7:04 pm - The tournament organizer says it should be over in about an hour. I am pretty sure it was later than 7pm by now, it felt like 8pm to me
   • 7:04 pm - Down to 3. Short stack got bad beat. They are renegotiating the split now. gets rivered by -- guess that 38% can come back to bite you...
   • 7:15 pm - Almost over. They are chopping.
   • 7:27 pm - They chopped 3-way and Adrian gets the trophy, the picture, and $21,613 since he was the chip lead!!! Picture soon.

   I really really wanted to play it out since I had such a commanding control over the last few hours. But after seeing the big stacks get unlucky, the short stacks get lucky and based on the advise of my support squad: I decided not to get pro'd -- so I took my check, my new card protector and my picture and spent the rest of the night celebrating Vegas style, after all I did outlast 466 people :)

   

   Posted by Guarantee at 2008-11-20 02:51:18

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Comments on “The Venetian Deep Stack Day 2”

1. • Posted by Nick L g 2009-02-05 22:13:59
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   • Congrads to you on your win I was happy to hear about this hope your able to pull off more of this.

2. • Posted by FREMONTkyle g 2008-12-10 12:15:37
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   • 4:28 pm - Adrian all in for 345k, no calls I was under the gun with and the BB wanted to called me badly. He was another short-stack that I befriended and he mucks flashing me

     4:36 pm - all in again, no calls Realized the big stacks where playing tighter than they should, hoping to let the short stacks consolidate, but that was not happening. So I pushed in position with medium ace

     AT THIS POINT PUSHING WITH ANY SUITED CONNECTED HAND IS A PLUS PROPOSITION BECAUSE OF TIGHTNESS but a weak A is a bad idea due to the fact that the hands there willing to call are gunna be big A and pp so medium A is bad better off with QJ

     4:41 pm - All in, no calls. This guy is a machine (WHAT DID YOU HAVE HERE?)

     5:16 pm - And Adrian is all in again. Time to loosen up and go for first! No calls. Almost got called since everyone thought it was a move due to the chop, turns out I had
     DID YOU SHOW YOUR 66 HERE SINCE THEY THOUGHT YOU WERE MAKING A MOVE??

     5:37 pm - They are bleeding him out. Hasn't done much lately. Folded a full 2 revolutions because I knew people were calling lighter after the deal, I wasn't about to loose my patience like the day before. I started getting glares from my cheerleading section as I folded 20% of my stack
     THIS IS WHERE I USSUALLY GET INTO A ARGUMENT WITH SOME OF THE PLAYERS I PLAY WITH THAT I CONSIDER GOOD AND RESPECT but the problem is they cant bend there mind around the concepts theyve read in the various tournament books. being that i havent read a book to this point probablly makes it easier for me. I guess I agree partially with the "HELLMUETH" theory in that i dont like to gamble and if you know all the players are wide open AKA "calling stations" then bluffing and raising with normal tournament hands in postion becasue its generally the right play doesnt mean it always is seeing how most those hands are good preflop and only because of the normal folding tendencies of a tourney. think of it this way WHAT HANDS WOULD YOU RAISE GUS HANSEN'S BLIND WITH?

     6:08 pm - Adrian made his first not all-in raise of the final table and saw a flop. He had to fold, and is now probably back to shoving. This is the second time at the final table where I connected with the flop but a big stack shoves all in over me so I had to fold. Turns out knowing this pattern about my play was important later
     6:13 pm - Saw another flop . Adrian bets the flop and chip leader flat calls. Turn comes and Adrian fires another shot, chip leader goes all in... Adrian thinks...and calls. I thought for 3 full minutes on this hand, I had . Obviously I was continuation betting and he probably knew that but his bet didn't make much sense to me. The way he was playing all night he obtained max value from his hands. If he had a piece of the flop the J was as much a scare card for him that for me. I had a tight image so I could have a piece of it. If he was floating me and hit the J he would flat call and go all in in the river or maybe raise me some but a shove on the turn said I want the 320k that's there go away like you have previously. I could have had "plenty" if I folded, but I thought my high was good and even if I was horribly wrong I had outs - so I called.
     IS THIS THE SAME PLAYER THAT PUSHED YOU OFF EARLIER? and if so this was only 5 minutes later so what was your hand the previous time? what was it that made you think about the other 2 hands that led you to calling here?"was this the same german guy that wanted first place?"

     7:27 pm - They chopped 3-way and Adrian gets the trophy, the picture, and $21,613 since he was the chip lead!!! Picture soon.
     i know its a while after the fact but im curious as to what the chip counts were? and if you all were pretty even or if there was one more person that could of dropped off i thought first was supposed to get 28K?

3. • Posted by Jason M g 2008-11-20 05:44:46
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   • nice work dawg. glad i could pay you back for sweating me at the wsop. when are jeff and stephen gonna cash big? lol